North Forge:LOTO: Difference between revisions

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We are required to store LOTO (Lock-out/Tag-out) information. This documents how the information is stored on the wiki. See Lock-out/Tag-out procedures for the actual information; the aggregate page is useful primarily for the North Forge:MadeSafe audit. No content will live there, it just queries the data in the tool template.

for all	The stuff on this page is not built yet, but I plan to put it together this week, so talk to me ASAP if you don't want it this way. Ttenbergen (talk) 22:31, 2024 October 13 (CDT)

for all	John I just had a look at both the general concept of LOTO and our submission for it. I have misunderstood it a bit, I thought it was what workers need to do to flag broken and dangerous equipment to stop others from using it. It now sounds like it is really only a maintenance related concept. We still need the member lockout process but we might need two different concepts and sets of instructions. Thoughts? Ttenbergen (talk) 15:50, 2024 October 21 (CDT) I knew of the other context for it, where you're trying to prevent others from activating the equipment when you're working on it and injuring you, but still used the same term for both types. All equipment would need procedures to temporarily disable a tool. Would we only need the stricter LOTO procedure for larger equipment? Someone wouldn't be able to turn on any small equipment while you're working on it directly... John Hache ([[User talk[John Hache\|talk]]) 19:25, 2024 October 21 (CDT) A lot of the current instructions require the lockout kits Jeff and I have, so we would need to tweak these for the user lockout since they would not have those.

I plan to simply add a field in template:tool to contain this. There is a LOTO page in the safety manual or on the safety drive somewhere, I think. Some info can be taken from there.

Default values

Many tools don't have a LOTO procedure. I discussed with Emelia that we should have a default one to put tools on a loto shelf and, for now, post on broken. For larger tools that have an electric plug I would like to tie a lockout gadget to the cable permanently with a zip tie or velcro pre-installed to tie up the plug. Still honor system, but I think then it becomes a matter of training to tell how thou shall not mess with that. For hard-wired tools we will need something different. Possibly a cap over the switch. With that in place we could set the LOTO for each tool to default to the shelf and just make sure we update the big tools which should only be ~15-20.

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-We are required to store LOTO (Lock-out/Tag-out) information. This documents how the information is stored on the wiki. See [[LOTO]] for the actual information; the page seems pointless, but since the madesafe audit will ask for this info, it makes it easy to list it for them. No content will live there, it just queries the data in the tool template.
+We are required to store LOTO (Lock-out/Tag-out) information. This documents how the information is stored on the wiki. See [[Lock-out/Tag-out procedures]] for the actual information; the aggregate page is useful primarily for the [[North Forge:MadeSafe audit]]. No content will live there, it just queries the data in the tool template.
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 * The stuff on this page is not built yet, but I plan to put it together this week, so talk to me ASAP if you don't want it this way. [[User:Ttenbergen|Ttenbergen]] ([[User talk:Ttenbergen|talk]]) 22:31, 2024 October 13 (CDT)
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+* I just had a look at both the general concept of LOTO and our submission for it. I have misunderstood it a bit, I thought it was what workers need to do to flag broken and dangerous equipment to stop others from using it. It now sounds like it is really only a maintenance related concept. We still need the member lockout process but we might need two different concepts and sets of instructions. Thoughts? [[User:Ttenbergen|Ttenbergen]] ([[User talk:Ttenbergen|talk]]) 15:50, 2024 October 21 (CDT)
+** I knew of the other context for it, where you're trying to prevent others from activating the equipment when you're working on it and injuring you, but still used the same term for both types. All equipment would need procedures to temporarily disable a tool. Would we only need the stricter LOTO procedure for larger equipment? Someone wouldn't be able to turn on any small equipment while you're working on it directly... [[User:John Hache|John Hache]] ([[User talk[John Hache|talk]]) 19:25, 2024 October 21 (CDT)
+*** A lot of the current instructions require the lockout kits Jeff and I have, so we would need to tweak these for the user lockout since they would not have those.
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 I plan to simply add a field in [[template:tool]] to contain this. There is a LOTO page in the safety manual or on the safety drive somewhere, I think. Some info can be taken from there.
+=== Default values ===
 Many tools don't have a LOTO procedure. I discussed with Emelia that we should have a default one to put tools on a loto shelf and, for now, post on broken.
-For larger tools that have an electric plug I would like to tie a lockout gadget to the cable permanently with a zip tie or velcro pre-installed to tie up the plug. Still honor system, but I think then it becomes a matter of training to tell how thou shall not f with that.
+For larger tools that have an electric plug I would like to tie a lockout gadget to the cable permanently with a zip tie or velcro pre-installed to tie up the plug. Still honor system, but I think then it becomes a matter of training to tell how thou shall not mess with that.
 For hard-wired tools we will need something different. Possibly a cap over the switch.
+With that in place we could set the LOTO for each tool to default to the shelf and just make sure we update the big tools which should only be ~15-20.
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+[[Category:MadeSafe audit]]